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Discussion in 'Ideas + Feature Requests' started by ButterBean, Feb 11, 2018.

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  1. ButterBean

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    Hello KOH community, as the titles says it is time we reap what we sow.. This thread is about the current system in place for events. There is a huge flaw with the current system, bringing great misery and removing all fairness from the game and event. I am referring to the obvious and sickening exploit many are using to gain an overwhelming advantage.

    I am talking about people feeding higher tier nodes (lvl3+) to lower ranking people. The brackets are separated, yet many are exploiting the system. If you are in my bracket for example you can hit monsters at a maximum level of 6, this provides you with 2 boneyards (lvl2), giving around 40k in total.. The requirements for obtaining 3 stars (in my bracket) are 162k points, that means I would have to kill 5 monsters and gather from 10 Boneyards .... This costs me and other players who do not use exploit 58beerX4= 232 (killing each monster with the average 4hit destruction ) x5 = 1160. So to do it as it was intended requires 1160 beers to complete the event..


    Yet someone who is given 2 lvl 3 boneyards instantly get 400k.....But they don't stop there, often you see them with 10million+, and this is what need to stop, bring back fairness, it's a solo event not an exploit event! I believe we must put a end to this exploit, and make it so you can only gather what you actually kill! This will not only stop the exploitation, it will protect smaller players from having their boneyards stolen from them!!
     
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    While I don't like getting my nodes stolen, it happens. The game is made to be a war game, and you are meant to battle it out and lose troops etc. The bigger people can't gain any points if they gather from nodes below their required level. So let's say I'm a huge player who needs to gather from level 3 nodes, and you're gathering from a level 2. It will do me no good to knock you off your level 2 to gather that. I won't get points for the event.

    If I am a lower level player and I see a level 3 opened up and no one claims it, and I can gather from it, I can try to take it, but risk being knocked off by someone who is bigger and has a stronger army.
    There are some who would help their clanmates, and if you are in a clan with nice people, they may sacrifice the brew that it takes to kill a level 7+ monster for their clanmates, but it still costs that higher level player brew. They will still have to use up their brew to get their clanmates to gather from the level 3 node...and then those players who are small will still have to gather without being knocked off by a bigger player. There's nothing to stop a bigger player from knocking that player who got the node gifted to them off that node. They are small, weak, and the bigger player can actually get points from gathering from that node after knocking the smaller player off. That's the risk the smaller players take when getting a level 3 boneyard from a higher level player...they may not get to finish gathering.

    So while they do get the advantage if their clanmate is nice and spends their brew to help out the smaller people in the clan, the smaller people still have a risk of losing the nodes to a bigger player. The bigger player will actually be able to collect the nodes they steal and will be more inclined to take it than they would if that player were gathering on a level 2 boneyard.
     
  3. ButterBean

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    People can try to make it sound elaborate, and sugar coat it as best they can but it's just an Exploit at the end of the day, nothing more. You say the bigger player has to use beer,yes they use a tiny tiny fraction of what a normal player uses to get the same points the way it is intended! They hit a lvl7 4 times when the player would have to hit a lvl6 20 times to get the same amount of points, it is an unfair system for anyone who doesn't have big players feeding them!! I have spoken to many people, all of which are disgusted with how appalling this system is and how easy it is to exploit. I hope that ATA look into this, and puts and end to it.

    How can someone realistically compete if they play normally ? And within the parameters of the game ? I saw a top LB player with 8mil in points, the highest level anyone in that bracket can hit was lvl6...So As a normal player, and wanting to compete and not using the exploit you would need to kill 200 lvl6 monsters! And use around 800x58 (46,400) energy...And they need to do that 4 times a day, still sounding fair ? They can't do this, usually the only one who like the system the way it is are those actually exploiting it. The system is unfair and impossible to defend the indefensible. But many will try, even when it plain for anyone and everyone to see.
     
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    Where are you getting those numbers? I placed second in the last event like this (snow forts) behind Donno (he is a TH25) and I (a TH20 at the time) used only 80-100k energy the entire event. I finished the solo events placed 1, 2, 2, 7, 0, 1, 2, 1, 3, 5, 2, 1, 1, 4, 4, 7, 1, 1, 1, and 1 so I was pretty active during the duration of the event.

    Activity is what you need to win events like this... I hear your complaint about people getting fed nodes and I agree that can be annoying. But keep in mind, if someone is getting fed nodes, the person doing the feeding will likely not place in the event. I also would not hold out hope for them changing the mechanics mid event.

    In the mean time, go port to a hive, stir up some trouble, and snipe a couple nodes from people. It’s a war game after all, and war is inately unfair.
     
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    The numbers come from my first hand Experience of playing. The tier I am in is TH16-18, the maximum people can hit is generally lvl6 nodes, these spawn 2 boneyards, which will provide in total 40k for both when gathering is complete..... The level 7 monster spawns 2 boneyards that give 200k for both when gathering is completed. The numbers mentioned above in the previous post are what is required to compete against someone being fed nodes. You cannot compete, it isn't activity neither as I have logged into every event and see the same thing happen again and again. It's an exploit, and it is simple if you can't kill it why should be able to gather it? It just screws over everyone else who isn't exploiting it, make it fair for everyone and have a level playing field. It ultimately means the best rewards are constantly going to the same people; those that exploit it. It isn't time, it isn't dedication, it isn't skill. So how do you expect people to enjoy it, and compete when they know it is impossible to win everytime ?
     
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    As I said in my first post, I am not against the notion that what they are doing is annoying.
    • Try feeding one member of your clan that has a shot at placing high on the LB
    • Snipe other people gathering and take the completion bonus
    There’s numerous ways to combat the current dilemma.

    Also, are you trying to take the moral high ground and not “exploit” it? Becuase, exploit is a strong word for this, people who are feeding, and being fed are simply working within the rules set by the developers in order to get an edge on the competition. Albeit, when done properly, a large edge on the competition.

    And as I said in my pervious post, it is unlikely that ATA will change the rule set mid event, either adapt and use this “exploit”, find another strategy, or except that you won’t place high in the event. But I can promise you, the developers have heard everyone’s complaints about this event. As was your goal with this thread, there will be changes made for the next one of this genre, just like there was between the snow fort event and this one.
     
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    I do not believe in exploits (and do not use them) and I do NOT believe the answer to good spots on a LB is to exploit it as well. I do class this as an exploit, the reason is simple because I believe the huge advantages gained are in a manner not intended by the game designers. You are essentially trying to compete with the next bracket scores . I known you mentioned it wasn't bad when you tried but things change,i would highly recommend that you check it out again , just so you can see how it's out of control. I would imagine when you tried these lvls there wasn't much feeding involved. At least you can in part understand what issue many of us are having in the lower brackets

    It has reached a point now where it actually doesn't even help having separate brackets. It doesn't benefit the average person, only helps create a bracket for the exploiters to get easy rewards for their acc. But I've said enough on this, I'll just see what the future holds. Enjoy your game 😁
     
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